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Interesting stuff there. Props for deciding to leave a house-sharing situation that was clearly not compatible with your new life priorities. You maybe won't be kept in touch, but you were correct, in my opinion, when you wrote that the reason is very sad.

On the other hand, I know how hard it is to (even mentally) get rid of people that you consider friends even if they are not the right people for you in a given moment of your life. And how hard it is to make new friendships & build solid relationships to turn strangers into friends. But I think you're moving in the right direction (haha you got the joke? haha "moving" haha ha) (sorry).

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7 hours ago, Matt S said:

I finally finished all the big moving parts and can finally settle into living at home.  I'm still unsure about a few things.  Do I keep my normal gym membership near work or do I cancel it and get a new one near home?  I live 1 hour from work and traffic going to home from work is worse than traffic from work to home.  I want to get 3-5 days in the week again without that anxious feeling.  I just want to go, do my things, and not stress.  I mentioned before a few weeks back how I had issues once I left work regarding hobbies.  I couldn't just enjoy the hobby, I just had this terrible feeling after leaving work of disgust, exhaustion, frustration, and wanting to escape.  It's hard to turn that around and enjoy life after that.  I am working on that now.  For some reason I have a difficult time going from sad to happy.  I think I'm not alone here, though.  It's all the esteem and frame of mind conversation.  If I now start doing things for me then that is big.  I make the choices to be happy or sad for the most part.

Firstly well done on the move, I don't know if things feel unsettled now but they will calm down soon.

In regards to the gym, I always prefer to go after work, I find my motivation for physical exercise flags the second I get through the door.

In regards to the anxious feeling do you mean the feeling of switching gyms? I have been at the same gym for a while now and it's closer to work. I'm really fussy so when I find a gym I like I stay there come hell or high water.

I think the last part of your comment is really important, yes you do make a choice based on your esteem to be happy or sad but also give yourself a bit of that space. You have a lot going on, be kind to yourself.

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3 hours ago, info-gatherer said:

Interesting stuff there. Props for deciding to leave a house-sharing situation that was clearly not compatible with your new life priorities. You maybe won't be kept in touch, but you were correct, in my opinion, when you wrote that the reason is very sad.

On the other hand, I know how hard it is to (even mentally) get rid of people that you consider friends even if they are not the right people for you in a given moment of your life. And how hard it is to make new friendships & build solid relationships to turn strangers into friends. But I think you're moving in the right direction (haha you got the joke? haha "moving" haha ha) (sorry).

Lol thanks for the words.  I agree.  Giving up longtime friends is just another difficult thing we give up similar to gaming or another bad habit.  I don't want to say bad friends or even good friends are bad habits, but when it's a negative impact in your life then it's not worth having around.  I'm still meeting new people all of the time and starting to meet more people in real life who art oriented in helping me produce art content and stuff.  I'm excited and confident.  I have no worries about making new friends and will keep approaching it in a positive way.

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2 hours ago, Peregrinator said:

Firstly well done on the move, I don't know if things feel unsettled now but they will calm down soon.

In regards to the gym, I always prefer to go after work, I find my motivation for physical exercise flags the second I get through the door.

In regards to the anxious feeling do you mean the feeling of switching gyms? I have been at the same gym for a while now and it's closer to work. I'm really fussy so when I find a gym I like I stay there come hell or high water.

I think the last part of your comment is really important, yes you do make a choice based on your esteem to be happy or sad but also give yourself a bit of that space. You have a lot going on, be kind to yourself.

I guess I don't even like the gym I go to.  It's so small.  The anxiety feeling associated with the gym is two fold.  I want to get out of work and do something amazing immediately after work and have trouble taking a deep breath and just saying "Ok, work is over, now it's time to enjoy life a little."  When I get to the gym, I hate my current one.  I don't like the machines and don't like how it feels to be there.  I get anxious because everyone I know keeps telling me different shit for gym advice.  I think what I want to do is just go to a different gym down the street which offers more to me.  I'd also like to go at lunch.  I just get the feeling to leave the office during the day just out of frustration lol.  But maybe after work is best because it lets me clear my mind of any bull shit from the day.  I really miss working out because it made me feel so much happier and more confident in my looks and mentality. 

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7 hours ago, Matt S said:

I guess I don't even like the gym I go to.  It's so small.  The anxiety feeling associated with the gym is two fold.  I want to get out of work and do something amazing immediately after work and have trouble taking a deep breath and just saying "Ok, work is over, now it's time to enjoy life a little."  When I get to the gym, I hate my current one.  I don't like the machines and don't like how it feels to be there.  I get anxious because everyone I know keeps telling me different shit for gym advice.  I think what I want to do is just go to a different gym down the street which offers more to me.  I'd also like to go at lunch.  I just get the feeling to leave the office during the day just out of frustration lol.  But maybe after work is best because it lets me clear my mind of any bull shit from the day.  I really miss working out because it made me feel so much happier and more confident in my looks and mentality. 

Yeah I totally understand that, I'm admittedly a bit of a gym snob. I used to go to a gym that was quite small and it frustrated me during the busy periods that I couldn't get on a machine or the freeweights, so frustrated that I stopped going. 

My current gym is relatively expensive but it works better for me both in terms of what's on offer and the fact I can get on machines without waiting. I have settled into a groove that works and turned the gym into my territory psychologically. To the extent that when my other ex started turning up it didnt make a bit of difference.

But when I first started and when I came back after a long hiatus I too felt that anxiety.

What helps me to stay committed to going is focusing on the feeling when I leave, that endorphin rush that just calms me down and gives me a huge boost once I have finished. Plus when people start to notice that your body is changing,  that's a fantastic boost.

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I'll keep that in mind. This place literally only has 1 bench and 1 squat rack. My old gym had 4 of each in college. I need something like that so I can feel comfortable. If 10 people show up I feel like I have to alter my routine. Plus my trainer is a moron. I sat down with her to create routines after 8 sessions of going no where. We created 3 routines. The next time we went she did a new routine we never spoke about. I was so angry. 

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Today is 10 weeks that I haven't gamed.  I feel really accomplished by this milestone.  I'm approaching 3 months again and feel proud.  This feeling of pride is starting to be the fuel for quitting pornography now.  I know what success feels like and I know what failure feels like.  I'm failing with porn and succeeding with gaming and social media addiction.  I've now decided to give up porn, install porn blockers, and just get over this.  I'm so tired of feeling terrible after watching it.  I'm not even enjoying searching for stuff anymore. 

A guy named Ned in the discord posted this:

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This statement really resonated with me because I used to get that sense of adrenaline rush searching for 30 minutes for the perfect videos and scenarios.  I'd be all excited.  Then once I watched the video I ended up choosing I was disappointed.  Once I finished watching I was just let down and disgusted.  I'd close all the other videos I looked for and just sit there questioning why I even searched for them. 

After the revelations I've made about emotional needs and turning to porn to fill the void and the statement above, I now feel like I'm ready to ditch this habit as well.  I'm done with it.

Matt

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(Oh my, I really miss some good physical exercise. I must go back to running asap!).

I didn’t read your post about porn, so I really don’t know what’s your problem with it, but I’m happy to hear you’re fighting it. Luckily enough, nobody needs porn to have an orgasm.

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On 12/29/2018 at 4:53 PM, info-gatherer said:

(Oh my, I really miss some good physical exercise. I must go back to running asap!).

I didn’t read your post about porn, so I really don’t know what’s your problem with it, but I’m happy to hear you’re fighting it. Luckily enough, nobody needs porn to have an orgasm.

Thank you.  I'd explain, but it's already in the previous posts.  Porn is just very addicting for many ways, which I've been uncovering for some time now.

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3 hours ago, Matt S said:

Thank you.  I'd explain, but it's already in the previous posts.  Porn is just very addicting for many ways, which I've been uncovering for some time now.

Hey. I didn’t mean to say that porn is not addictive, just to be clear ?

 

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7 hours ago, info-gatherer said:

Hey. I didn’t mean to say that porn is not addictive, just to be clear ?

 

Oh I know. I just thought it might take forever for me to explain what I've been learning about myself. I try to do an incredible amount of research before quitting something so I have a plan of attacking any cravings. But it has taken months to figure out lol. Don't worry. I was kind of sick last night and freaking out so I stopped typing part of the way and left the computer. I apologize. 

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I'm holding myself hostage.  I got angry about video games because I'd choose to play games over any other hobby that I was interested in trying.  I even only played the MMORPG or online multiplayer games over single player games.  I didn't play my gameboy or the NES classic or anything.

Now that I've quit video games I haven't done a single new hobby.  It's fucking incredible.  I went rock climbing twice, enjoyed it sort of, but don't want to go alone.  I liked going hiking, but hated going alone.  I liked photography, but I wanted to share my work instead of just taking pictures alone.  I liked Podcasting about hockey, but got stressed by it after a while because the podcasts were too long and I didn't want to do it alone.  I liked yoga and doing fun exercises at the gym, but lost sight of what the purpose of doing them was.  I can't enjoy anything in moderation now and think I'm fucked up.  I really want to relapse and play games right now.  I think I'm just being dumb.  I haven't done anything new or pursued it.  I really miss gaming because I was established in it.

I end up spending hours alone each night now and have been for months.  I did this over the summer and feel a relapse happening soon.  I played for months and just realized I didn't care much about doing other things in life because they didn't interest me. I'd see a movie and then that's it.  I'd go kayaking, or to the forest to walk and take pictures, and that's it.  I'd go to a brewery or a restaurant...and it's over.  Gaming you can just keep playing.  That's what I want and miss.  I miss being able to just keep playing and playing.

But that was making me sick.  I'd keep playing until like 6 AM.  I couldn't stop playing.  Once I gamed again I wouldn't even watch TV or make food.  I just wanted to game.  I don't think I understand the concept of balance, appreciating things, or knowing what happiness is.  I am suffering right now because I'm just putting myself through hell and making myself feel bad.  I watch hockey and that's fine.  I want to podcast once per week about hockey, but get angry and don't do it because it feels like work and effort.  I don't see the point of yoga or the gym anymore.  If I do this, who cares?  I don't know if I care.  All I care about is just getting better at a game.  And when I play that game, I don't care about anything else in life and I stop talking to friends, family.  Then I just get isolated and alone and realize I need to quit.  I get angry at other online gamers.  I don't play single player games.  I just want to be elite at gaming again and nothing else.  And then I realize how useless being amazing at a game is.  

I've talked to a few people recently and I'm just thinking too much.  I'm analyzing too much.  Starting tonight I'm just going to do.  I'm going to work out because I miss being strong.  I like looking and feeling healthy.  It makes my mind feel happier and I love myself more.  I will do yoga or stretch because it helps me meditate and be happier,  I'm going to read at night because I love adventure, I'll watch hockey because I love it, I'll try to schedule time with friends to bowl, play pool, or eat somewhere just to socialize and laugh, and I'll keep learning about stuff.  Gaming is desirable because I can just do.  I am going to take a break from my diary and analyzing myself because I'm driving myself insane not living.  I'm isolating my heart and mind and it's sickening me.

Matt

P.S. I'm changing my username on here.

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I can't sleep tonight. I gotta wake for work soon and I just can't stop thinking about video games. I miss being the best in the world at nhl goalie. I miss playing against and with the best players. I'm just wondering if I played a little if it would help. I just haven't tried hobbies yet so I don't think my life had changed in 10 weeks of me not gaming. I just haven't played or replaced it yet. I'm struggling and craving it badly. Night sweats and everything. 

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This is your brain screaming at change, if you play now you're gonna do another half a year relapse. This is your turning point. Watch a class online and you'll fall asleep probably. Quick reply cause I'm off to do work stuff sorry

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4 hours ago, fawn_xoxo said:

This is your brain screaming at change, if you play now you're gonna do another half a year relapse. This is your turning point. Watch a class online and you'll fall asleep probably. Quick reply cause I'm off to do work stuff sorry

thank you 

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We all probably know what you are feeling right now. You want to play so badly and you even push yourself to the moment you will say yes to"hey one game". We all know that from ourselves. In the end we can talk much but its about what you want to do. 

I want you to say clearly "STOP" when ever you think about gaming. It just seems like we cant handle our thoughts, but we can. So just handle them while saying loud "STOP". Stop even think about letting yourself play, because i surely now you just want to allow yourself to play. Maybe just think about the fact also that you will be just one of those gamers again as soon as you relapse. No sense in life, thinking a to be good at a game is important and means something. Well yea, it means you are a no lifer without any purpose in life. You dont want to be one of them!

 

 

With the advice above you will stop the urgent thoughts to play. But you have to something against the disease not the sympthom!

I think your main problem is that you still didnt get used to other hobbys. You tried so much, thats nice, but in the same way, its clear you will not doing all of those frequently on a regular base. Take one or two hobbys you really want to do. By really want to do i dont mean you should compare them to gaming and think whether they are as much fun. I want you think about meaningful things to you. To those things. After you got some of those hobbys: do them frequently! I know its hard to do a podcast, i know its not easy to go yoga everytime or to do sports. Thats the point where you can lose or win. You need NEW habbits, but its hard to establish those at the beginning. But with time it will get easier and it will stop taking you effort to do them! You will enjoy them in the future! Keep that in mind

You write pretty often that you dont want to do things alone. So maybe getting new friends while doing those activities would be good. Have you tried something to get in contact with someone who maybe share the same hobby? I know this is hard but you have to do that. For example I am searching a friend I can go to sports with him. But I dont find anyone. So I will join a sportsclub because there are already people who do the saming thing which I like to do. Its so much easier than asking your people in whatsapp whether they want to join you, because they usually doesnt want to do productive things like sports or maybe they just dont like the things you do.

wish you the best man, keep it up

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I agree with what everyone else has said, and I know it's tough because I am pretty sure we have all been and will continue to be where you are right now. I have been in your position, the old " just one more game" or " I will just have a break and play games over the Xmas period, I deserve it after all" and that craving is huge, in some cases it has felt like it takes over your body it is a tough conflict but you are fighting back and can get through it.

The new hobbies thing is difficult, because hey nothing compares to the feeling of playing games right? Everything feels a little duller in comparison. But outside of a select group of people, being the best in the world at NHL goalie isn't going to push your life forward, you will never know how far your hobbies could take you, who you could meet and what relationships may develop. The future is a blank page in the story of your own RPG, your life.

As for doing stuff alone, is it all that bad? Don't get me wrong, none of us want to be alone, we want that social interaction. But sometimes doing something on your own can be a massive boost both mentally and spiritually.

I don't know the reasons why you don't like doing stuff alone and there are a number of valid reasons, I won't try and second guess but I will share my thoughts.

I have deliberately done things alone to make me more of a complete person, I have seen it as very important to my own development and do not get we wrong here it hasn't been easy.

I have had weird looks at the cinema because I was there on my own. I was absolutely terrified to travel to Dublin on my own. I had to literally take everything one step at a time and I nearly turned back. In my head In was quoting Rogue One " I'll take the next chance, and the next until I win or all the chances are spent". It's cheesy but it got me past the point of no return and onto that airplane, it worked.

But once that boundary of doing things alone was crossed well freedom kind of opened up, a year ago I would never have done a walking my own, I walked 20km on my own about a week ago because I felt like it. Don't get me wrong it still feels weird, but it also feels incredibly free.

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I had a bit of a meltdown last night.  I got anxious about going back to work.  I keep wanting to make all of this change in my life and although I'm making change, it's not fast enough or fun enough.  I'm having trouble constantly staying on top of myself to plan things out for myself to stay balanced.

I view this as a sign of me overwhelming myself and not meditating.  I don't mean like a yogi or anything, but just taking some time during the day to stretch, relax, close my eyes, slow down, and reflect on my feelings.  I'm antsy and not expressing myself and filled with tons of anxiety and energy.  This is a sign I need to exercise, socialize, and have fun to let off some steam.  Today I got a new gym membership at this gym I've discussed visiting and created my gym routine.  I then organized a trip to go bowling this weekend with friends and grab some beer.

I ordered those 3 books Fawn keeps telling me to read.  I also listened to half of the self esteem one on YouTube today. I enjoyed what he was saying and related to a lot of what he was saying.  I won't comment on that right now because I'm exhausted after only sleeping 2 hours.

Although I didn't relapse with gaming, I did watch porn a few times during my panic attacks.  I'm disappointed.  

I don't take enough action. As I previously noted, I have been trying to take on too many hobbies at once and just not doing any of them and holding myself hostage.  I'm taking a new approach.  I'm going to start getting in tune with my feelings and see what I need to have in my life.  I want to read myself and figure out whether I want to draw, write, learn, watch tv, exercise, etc.  

I would like to thank all of the people who posted today and gave the kind words.  I did not relapse and managed to sleep.  I was watching old YouTube videos of me in the world championships and against top players around the world and got sad.  I missed it badly.  But that's in my past now and it made me depressed watching it.

I'm going to relax and sleep early tonight.  I am tired.

Matt

P.S. My name is different on here now as well as Discord.

 

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Sometimes things come into your life when you need them most.  This movie called 'Manic' has always been the most powerful movie I've ever watched.  It's about a boy with anger problems who tries to mask his emotions with anger and fight his way out, running away from who he truly is, and fighting it along the way.  There are other dynamic characters in there, but it's a powerful and relatable movie.  It's free on YouTube: 

 

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That's good to know!

I have realized that many of us have gained the same ability since we quit gaming -- we still face all kinds of problems and we get depressed from time to time, but we all have learnt to be resilient by analyzing ourselves, meditating, asking for help and helping each other. I'm so proud of you guys ?

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Don't be disappointed, be a student; learn from your mistakes, and you'll get better by implementing the lessons learned through them. 

Kudos on the gym membership, that's a step in the right direction for sure. You do need to take action, because by sitting still after you're done with work, a work that doesn't fulfill you for the most part, what you do to yourself is forcing him to suffer in restlessness and boredom. It's a remnant from sitting still because of gaming, I get it, absolutely, but nothing changes if you change nothing, yeah? 

Stop procrastinating, embrace the hardship of change and then the change will reward you with feelings of accomplishment and self affirmation.

Force yourself to a sleep routine, it isn't fun, but fun shouldn't be our guide tbh. What will future me thank present me for? That's what we should be guided by, that's how I find deeper satisfaction with myself personally. Cause in 8 or 16 hours that future me will have become present me, so it's literally treating myself with good choices. 

Hoping you had a good rest! And remember, any activity that doesn't destroy your self image is better than boredom, or the bad habits that used to occupy that time slot after work. Pick one, act on it. 

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This weekend I set out to get a lot accomplished around my home, see friends, and live a bit.  I did all of this.  I went bowling and to the arcade and out for beers with 4 friends.  I then watched my hockey team win.  I had fun.  I then bought my mom her Christmas gifts finally because we didn't have a chance to shop for each other with me moving home, etc.  We also cleaned a ton of the house and it looks great.  I'm now 11 weeks free of video games.  I also did yoga, worked out, and ate food and cooked new foods.

You know what stinks?  I got mad at myself after all of this.  What the fuck?  I got mad because I wasn't creating something.  I'm starting to think I don't really want to create something.  I get angry at the word PODCAST because I haven't worked on my podcast in 3 months.  I view creating content and learning as work.  I don't want to work more than I have to.  I hate working.  My work ethic is good when it's on the line, but other than that I don't want to work and I just want to do nothing.  I don't really like to do anything that requires work at all in fact.

The issue is that I get extreme compliments for my work.  I work well.  I get told by professional cartoonists to pursue my cartoon because it would be successful.  I'm not doing it.  I got told my local hockey fans to keep podcasting and improve.  I'm not doing it.  I get told by all of my friends, therapists, doctors, family, and random people to do stand up comedy.  I'm not doing it.  I don't want to do anything and it bothers me.  I don't get what the fucking deal is?  I don't want to learn anything new.  I'm just tired all of the time.  I know I'm depressed.

I've quit gaming for 11 weeks and porn for 1 week and cut down on porn from 3-5 times per day to 0-3 times per week.  I'm making improvements.  I'm just confused because I had a great weekend, did everything I set out to do, and then got mad at myself.  I still found ways to get mad at myself.  I'm not appreciating and being grateful for the steps I'm making.  I did a lot of great things and I'm just mad because I still don't have a girlfriend, didn't work on any new hobbies, didn't read, and didn't go to the gym (but I still worked out for an hour with free weights at home).  I'm hoping that these books I got and my continued therapy and mindset will improve and keep me focused on gradual happiness improvement and caring more about myself.

I don't want to do these hobbies because I am going into them with the expectation that I'll need to be perfect and come up with a marketing system, etc, to one day sell this as a full time thing and make lots of money off of it and be happy.  That pressure is what's preventing me from doing it.  I can't just do it for fun because in the back of my mind it's what I really want to do for a living one day.  College was so hard and I never want to repeat that again.  

 

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