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Most of the voices in media about feminism are female voices. I would like to hear from more men about this. Do you think they way feminism is being presented is fair? If not, what needs to change?

Women are receiving progressively more attention and support. Women's earnings, education, etc are all increasing. In contrast, men in their 20's have high unemployment rates, and declining education levels. Additionally, men in their teens and 20's are also experiencing an unprecedented trend of erectile dysfunction as well as other sexual dysfunctions.  Of course there is also video game addiction and pornography addiction. 

Feminism is not to be blamed, but the current disparity between the two sexes does suggest that men may not be receiving enough support. Do you agree or disagree?

Feminism (at least my brand of it-- equality and mutual respect between the two sexes) is necessary progress and benefits both men and women. However, attacks on both men and women have been mounted in the name of feminism as well. 

I am curious about your thoughts.

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There's rising percentage of erectile dysfunctions? Damn ?

I would not say men are not receiving enough support, it's just that the support for men and women tends to be different in the society. For women, it's common to talk about feelings and struggles - whether it's in communities, magazines, friend circles or other media(think Oprah). This is something that is lacking in support for men - handling depression, sexuality problems, identity problems, relationships etc. On the other hand though, the vast majority of the 'self-help' community is male and provides advice for (mostly) young men. Its focus is generally more of a "buckle up and start hustling", but still there is a lot of value to be gained(think Gary Vee, Eliott Hulse, Tony Robbins). Perhaps both sexes would benefit from taking part in each other's communities. However, that is difficult to achieve since it's usually specific people that give advice, seminars, speeches, articles etc. These people know how to give advice to the group they're focusing on, but not the other way around.

 

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Because women make such a big deal about equality, etc., and have been for quite some time, it's socially acceptable to think along those terms. However, whenever someone gains, another has to suffer. I do believe there has traditionally been a large inequality between men and women in many respects, and there still is. Some sort of balance must be achieved. Inevitably, this will mean that men will suffer.. which isn't necessarily bad. It's just the way it is.

I just hope the struggles of men don't get drowned out to the point of being a mockery. Both sexes face very real challenges and they must all be given due attention.

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16 minutes ago, seriousjay said:

Because women make such a big deal about equality, etc., and have been for quite some time, it's socially acceptable to think along those terms. However, whenever someone gains, another has to suffer. I do believe there has traditionally been a large inequality between men and women in many respects, and there still is. Some sort of balance must be achieved. Inevitably, this will mean that men will suffer.. which isn't necessarily bad. It's just the way it is.

I just hope the struggles of men don't get drowned out to the point of being a mockery. Both sexes face very real challenges and they must all be given due attention.

Do you really believe men have to suffer though? I've always viewed feminism as women being recognized for rights, while maintaining mutual respect between the two sexes. 

If women have something like equal wages, do you think that it is bad for men? Or actually helpful, because within the family the man doesn't have to shoulder all the weight of earning? 

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9 hours ago, AcupunctureFTW said:

Do you really believe men have to suffer though? I've always viewed feminism as women being recognized for rights, while maintaining mutual respect between the two sexes. 

If women have something like equal wages, do you think that it is bad for men? Or actually helpful, because within the family the man doesn't have to shoulder all the weight of earning? 

I don't think it's bad for men if women make equal money. As you say, the net effect at home doesn't change much. It would only really hurt single men.

Personally, the issues I'm far more concerned with are rights-based issues, like women being allowed to decide for themselves about their reproductive rights. The current crusade against abortion in the United States is one such example.

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I don't see how single men would be hurt by women having higher wages. If anything, economics 101 tells me they would be in higher demand. But either way, when talking about the wage gap it is critical to keep in mind the difference between adjusted and unadjusted wage gap. Adjusted means it compares men and women with the same job positions respectively, sometimes even taking into account educational background and other factors. Adjusted wage gaps are usually cited to be around 1% in EU, which is quite different from what people usually argue about - the mean wage difference between men and women, which is 17% or more. This unadjusted wage gap statistic, however, holds no information about discrimination. 

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11 hours ago, JustTom said:

 

I don't see how single men would be hurt by women having higher wages. If anything, economics 101 tells me they would be in higher demand. But either way, when talking about the wage gap it is critical to keep in mind the difference between adjusted and unadjusted wage gap. Adjusted means it compares men and women with the same job positions respectively, sometimes even taking into account educational background and other factors. Adjusted wage gaps are usually cited to be around 1% in EU, which is quite different from what people usually argue about - the mean wage difference between men and women, which is 17% or more. This unadjusted wage gap statistic, however, holds no information about discrimination. 

If women across the board started making more money, and nothing else changed, then ultimately businesses would stand to lose profits. Don't you think those businesses would try to find a way to offset those increased costs? How do you suppose they'd do that if women were simply making more money?

Either cut costs (men losing jobs or getting paid less), or charge more for their product (which would affect men much more than women in this scenario).

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17 hours ago, seriousjay said:

If women across the board started making more money, and nothing else changed, then ultimately businesses would stand to lose profits. Don't you think those businesses would try to find a way to offset those increased costs? How do you suppose they'd do that if women were simply making more money?

Either cut costs (men losing jobs or getting paid less), or charge more for their product (which would affect men much more than women in this scenario).

So you think men might lose jobs to women?

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6 hours ago, AcupunctureFTW said:

So you think men might lose jobs to women?

Yes.

Maybe not immediately. I mean, I don't think anyone would fire a man simply for the sake of putting a woman in that position, but if job equality changes over time, then fewer men will be employed compared to women. Only way this doesn't happen is if job growth at least equals the rate at which people enter the workforce.

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17 hours ago, seriousjay said:

Yes.

Maybe not immediately. I mean, I don't think anyone would fire a man simply for the sake of putting a woman in that position, but if job equality changes over time, then fewer men will be employed compared to women. Only way this doesn't happen is if job growth at least equals the rate at which people enter the workforce.

Thank you for sharing this. I have never heard this as a concern before and can see where you are coming from. 

Unfortunately if the current trajectory continues for another few decades, with women continuing to be more educated and employed than ever before, and men continuing to falter in those same regards, women as a group WILL be more competent. And therefore more hire-able. 

We are still very far away from that currently, but if the trend goes to such an extreme that is possibly the future. 

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2 hours ago, AcupunctureFTW said:

Thank you for sharing this. I have never heard this as a concern before and can see where you are coming from. 

Unfortunately if the current trajectory continues for another few decades, with women continuing to be more educated and employed than ever before, and men continuing to falter in those same regards, women as a group WILL be more competent. And therefore more hire-able. 

We are still very far away from that currently, but if the trend goes to such an extreme that is possibly the future. 

Difficult to say what will happen. All we can really do is take care of ourselves.

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