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Serious doubts about NoFap

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Masturbation seems related to games. I always feel like doing it after playing. So whenever I masturbate, I would want to play games and vice versa. When I stop doing both, it is easier than stopping one of them. And masturbating just makes it easier for me to watch porn.

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So as some of you may know I started nofap recently and I'm about 8 days in. No my balls haven't exploded or anything, I just don't know if this is necessary.

To put you guys in context, I was an excessive porn user and frequently got off to degenerate content. I am fully convinced that porn is fucking cancer and I'm not touching that shit again. But, I am also sceptical towards masturbation without porn because I think I might lose control again. And yet again, I don't want to have a wet dream every month and spaff all over my sheets. I have also looked into research suggesting infrequent ejaculation makes you 33% more likely to develop prostate cancer and I don't want that shit.

Should I go through with the 30 day no wanking to detox or should I feel free to bust a nut every now and again and if I return to my old habits I should stop?

I would appreciate it if any of you guys who have done nofap would give me some advice.

"Jan. 27, 2009 -- Frequent masturbation in young men is linked to higher risk of early prostate cancer, but it lowers prostate cancer risk for men in their 50s, a study shows." http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20090127/masturbation-and-prostate-cancer-risk

Try eating these things and working out to reduce risk of prostate cancer: http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/tc/prostate-cancer-prevention

Coffee and green tea also reduces risk of prostate cancer if you are ok with caffeine. 

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@LilChenChen Thank you. I am making progress towards this.

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Oh my God, this topic has started and I didn't say the word of TRUTH? Shame on me!

Sex is part of the base of Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

The biggest lie ever put to Maslow's hierarchy. This is an excuse and I'll explain it easily, proving it by science.

"The lowest" needs from Maslow's pyramid are these that our survival depends on them. In other words, you will die if you stop drinking, eating, sleep, breathing, maintain homeostasis or excretion, it's only the matter of time how long it will take.

However science proves, that nobody ever died due to the lack of sex or masturbation (which these two are obviously not the same!).

So, this is not a survival need. Obviously it is important to cohabitate to maintain the whole species. But you won't explode/become blue on your balls/face/get a prostate cancer etc. This is all bullshit and justification for people.

Ok I'll switch things up then. My no fap counter is now just for porn.

That's a mistake my friend.

Something that will make you weaken in social situation. You'll be just less likely to "achieve" one of the goals on your signature - finding a girlfriend.

And even if you find a girlfriend and will have a sexual relationship with her, by doing masturbation for a long period of time you will be focused on yourself (that's act full of egoism) instead of your sexual partner.

And that will hurt as hell once you will wake up from this state you're in right now.

The most important is to get your literally sexual energy into social interactions with people and especially woman, so this way you'll become a real man and will feel much better with it. Instead of getting this sexual energy out of your body.

About wet dreams - if you're not in stable sexual relationship, this should be a normal physiological reaction of your body to maintain the level of hormones and semen. However it was destroyed nowadays by wrenched from context sexual acts.

That's the brutal truth and nothing else. No excuses, no justifications. You can accept it or deny it. The choice is yours :)

Think about it and let me know what you think.

I relate to so much you've posted. And I really agree with your points.

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@Robin

@hycniejsy knows his shit! A very wise man.

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I quit pornography on Dec 16. I'm happy with it. I found my sex drive has increased as is and am having an easier time talking to women. That of course is also connected do quitting games. I didn't feel nofap was satisfying, it did help me with drive and the development of sheer agression to get things done, but after a while my urges felt more like a distraction delaying my work; the last thing I wanted. So I gave up on the whole no PMO thing and am just doing NoPorn now. I feel great! (It also boosts your creativity by quite a kick I have to tell you so as an artist you might appreciate that.) Although if/when you start drawing nudes you have to assure that others won't find your work haha.   

I encourage your decision. You can try NoFap once again once you have a stable girlfriend or something. That's what I would do. 

GOOD LUCK!

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Hey guys, 

I noticed that noFap and game compulsion are connected in some way. 

I've seens a few other threads mentioning throwing in nofap while getting away from games. I wonder why this is the case,,, 

As to be on topic with this thread, I do agree that porn really does mess with a lot of natural stuff. However masturbation in healthy doses is perfectly normal and is realitive to the individual. I'd say, no porn - no problem. 

 

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I also think that masturbation is healthy and normal, provided it occurs with regard to real people as well as in a realistic setting. Excessive use of porn is detrimental as it is often violent, unrealistic and misogynistic and thusly warps expectations towards a real partner. I've also read about cases where people lost interest in real humans as they focused too much on 2D or 3D depictions. I'd argue that moderation and a focus on a real partner are vital.

NoFap in itself is not a cure for underlying modes of behavior such as low self-esteem or anxiety. It increases aggression and testosterone, but still one needs to channel these in a right mode of behavior that is socially acceptable. I tried NoFap in connection with Monk-Mode, however I did not realize "transcendental" change in my life other than increased levels of aggression. I worked more intensely, sure, and I started to work-out more. It did not improve my social perception or success rate though. I'd say that one needs to improve in many areas (know-how, social skills, aesthetics, eloquence) in order to augment one's position. And that requires more effort than simply quitting masturbation.

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Hi

Masturbation and porn do not fit in with my values. I have been abusing porn for too long and it has fucked with my brain. Masturbation just reinforces the bad habits of perturbed sexual fantasies that I don't want in my head! I have always had a fucked up imagination and  I have nothing against it but I don't want to give my self up to these ideas. I totally agree that masturbation is fine in that context but for me it's a straight up no given my situation right now.

Yes no fap works as more of a 'symbol' I think. Like hitler with the swastika, the catholic church with the cross, the ussr with the hammer and sickle, the satanic pentagram, the buddha. Symbols have psychological power. The essence of nofap is becoming a better man I think. And the abstaining from masturbation is just a motivational psychological booster. Like a placebo. The trouble is I know how it works though so it doesn't work on me as well! Fuck! I know I won't need nofap at some time and I won't need gq either- but- I need them both now to get stronger.

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